Starting Setups

WhisperFin PRO

Measuring Fin Depth FD
Measuring Fin Length FL
Measuring Fin Distance From Tail DFT
Wing Angle Measurement
Measuring Binding Location Bf
measuring water ski binding location

The measurements listed in this database were taken using these industry standard techniques

Conversion Calculator – Original WhisperFin to PRO

If you are using the original WhisperFin and love your setup, this calculator will convert your current settings into WhisperFin PRO settings that will maintain your ski’s balance while introducing PRO fin benefits. Then even if you are happy with your new setup, I encourage you to further explore the potential of your new fin by following the tuning guides that came with your fin.

Binding and Wing Settings

Binding and wing settings transfer unchanged from the original WhisperFin to the PRO fin.

V–1.2 (03.24.21): This algorithm may evolve for awhile.
Check back for possible updates.

Starting Setups

These setups are called “starting setups” because they are just that—good starting points from which to develop your own personalized setup. Keep in mind that while these setups worked great for someone, that “someone” may have bindings, technique and stature that are completely different than yours. So whether you start with the generic installation setup that came with your fin, or with one of the following model-specific setups, I still recommend you do a little custom tuning for best personal results. And custom tuning is probably easier than you think. Just follow the tuning instructions that came with your fin, or go to: www.finwhispering.com/whisperfin-tuning

Not every ski built will be listed in these Starting Setups. If your ski isn’t listed, you can start with the setup for another ski of a similar size and character to yours. And if there is a setup listed for your ski but not in your size, adjust the listed setup as follows:

  • Move your bindings ½” for every inch of ski length difference (e.g. If the listed ski 1″ larger than yours, move your bindings forward ½”).
  • Change DFT .005″ for every inch of ski length difference (e.g. If the listed ski 1″ larger than yours, increase DFT by .005″).

 

PRO Fin Starting Setups by Ski Brand

— work in progress —

Connelly
Connelly Installation Note:

With Connelly’s unique new fin block, the adjustment set screws contact the top sheet of the ski before you can achieve the desired FD and FL with the WhisperFin. This is not a problem. You can either adjust the fin by hand without the use of the set screws, Dremel out a round hole through the top sheet for the set screws to pass through (do not use a standard drill bit as it may snag and crack the top sheet). Or you can simply force the set screws through the top sheet into the foam core (this works fine and does no structural or cosmetic damage).

* Notice the significant difference between the 66″ and 67″ DFT measurements. The 67″ setup was for a 35-off skier who was struggling with too much tip-bite. This short DFT strategy will work to reduce tip-grab for any sized ski. And note that it’s not the short DFT that reduces tip-bite, it’s the short leading edge location (LE).

GT-R

PRO Fin Settings

65″

Nimble
Bf = 28.625
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.843
LE = 7.700

66″

Supportive
Bf = 29.125
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.798
LE = 7.645

67″

Anti Tip-grab
Bf = 29.625
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.698 *
LE = 7.545**
*The front (FL) set screw must be removed to achieve this DFT

**This setup can be made nimbler by increasing DFT by up to .110″  or until the tip starts grabbing

68″

Carbon V

GT-R

Original Fin

65″

66″

67″

Supportive
Bf = 29.375
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.837
DFT = 1.773
LE = 7.610

 

68″

D3

Evo

Ion

64″

Bf = 28.625
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.455
FL = 5.817
DFT = 1.838
LE = 7.655

65″

Bf = 29.25
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.490
FL = 5.842
DFT = 1.813
LE = 7.655

66″

Bf = 29.75
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.849
DFT = 1.813
LE = 7.662

67″

Bf = 30.125
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.818
LE = 7.665

68″

Bf = 30.625
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.813
LE = 7.670

NRG

64″

65″

66″

Bf = 29.65
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.495
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.838
LE = 7.685

67″

Bf = 30.15
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.848
LE = 7.695

68″

Bf = 30.65
Wing = 7°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.843
LE = 7.690

Goode

Wing Note: The setups here all assume small wing use. But most, if not all, of the current Goodes work best with the large wing run at 1.5° less angle than your normal small wing setting.

Note: These measurements are with the tips (FL) and head (DFT) of a normal caliper, not a slot caliper. FL measurements are very roughly .075″ shorter and DFT measurements about .010″ longer using a slot caliper, but these conversions vary widely depending on ski design.

RéVo CC

65.75″

66.5″

Bf = 29.5
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.850
DFT = 1.723
LE = 7.573

67.25″

Bf = 29.625
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.850
DFT = 1.723
LE = 7.573

68″

Bf = 29.875
Wing = 9.5°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.845
DFT = 1.733
LE = 7.578

9970 CC

65.5″

Bf = 29.5
Wing = 9° Large
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.849
DFT = 1.703
LE = 7.552

67″

Bf = 29.625
Wing = 9.5° Large
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.849
DFT = 1.703
LE = 7.552

67.75″

Bf = 29.5
Wing = 9.5° Large
FD = 2.495
FL = 5.845
DFT = 1.743
LE = 7.588

68.5″

Bf = 29.875
Wing = 9° Large
FD = 2.495
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.773
LE = 7.620
This setup is a good estimate

XTR CC
Nano 1 XTR

65″

66″

Aggressive
Bf = 28.875
Wing = 9.5°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.753
LE = 7.600

Less Tip-bite
Bf = 28.875
Wing = 9.5°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.703
LE = 7.550

67″

Aggressive
Bf = 29.125
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.758
LE = 7.610

Less Tip-bite
Bf = 29.125
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.713
LE = 7.565

68″

Aggressive
Bf = 29.375
Wing = 9.5°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.763
LE = 7.620

Less Tip-bite
Bf = 29.375
Wing = 9.5°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.713
LE = 7.570

RéVolution

65.75″

66.5″

Bf = 29.25
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.828
LE = 7.680

Excellent tip hold out of turns, but if you experience tip-grab, shorten LE

67.25″

Bf = 29.375
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.733
LE = 7.585

Set up to defend against tip-bite from tip-high approach to turns

68″

Bf = 29.625
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.773
LE = 7.625

An accomplished Big Dawg’s setup

Nano 1 XT
Nano 1

64″

65.25″

Aggressive
Bf (N1) = 28.875
Bf (XT) = 28.875
Wing = 9.5°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.753
LE = 7.600

Less Tip-bite
Bf (N1) = 28.875
Bf (XT) = 28.875
Wing = 9.5°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.703
LE = 7.550

66″

Aggressive
Bf (N1) = 29
Bf (XT) = 29
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.758
LE = 7.610

Less Tip-bite
Bf (N1) = 29
Bf (XT) = 29
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.713
LE = 7.565

66.75″

Aggressive
Bf (N1) = 29.375
Bf (XT) = 29.125
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.763
LE = 7.620

Less Tip-bite
Bf (N1) = 29.375
Bf (XT) = 29.125
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.713
LE = 7.570

Rev 6

64.25″

65.75″

Bf = 28.75
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.505
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.803
LE = 7.655

66.5″

Bf = 29
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.783
LE = 7.640

67.25″

68″

9700

64″

65.5″

66.25″

Bf = 29.625
Wing = 9° Large
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.778
LE = 7.635

67″

HO

VTX

65″

66″

Bf = 28 ⅞
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.450
FL = 5.812
DFT = 1.873
LE = 7.685

67″

Bf = 28.75
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.450
FL = 5.812
DFT = 1.878
LE = 7.690

68″

Bf = 29.25
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.450
FL = 5.812
DFT = 1.883
LE = 7.695

KD

Platinum

65″

Nimble
Bf = 28.625
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.470
FL = 5.827
DFT = 1.813
LE = 7.640

More Supportive
Bf = 28.625
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.485
FL = 5.837
DFT = 1.808
LE = 7.645

66″

Nimble
Bf = 29.125
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.837
DFT = 1.823
LE = 7.660

More Supportive
Bf = 29.25
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.793
LE = 7.650

 

67″

Nimble
Bf = 29.625
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.465
FL = 5.824
DFT = 1.786*
LE = 7.610
* Lengthen DFT until tip grabs

More Supportive

Bf = 29.75
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.808
LE = 7.655

Radar

Nimble – Start with these settings if you are light, or consider yourself a finesse skier. The more nimble your setup can be, the better the tip hold will be exiting turns and during the cut. Your setup is too nimble if the tail feels slippery at the end of turns.

More Supportive – Start with these settings if you consider yourself a powerful skier who tends to force the ski, if you tend to get tip-grab, or if the nimble settings make the tail feel too slippery.

These two setups are NOT at extreme ends of the setup spectrum. If anything, they bracket the middle third. So experimenting with either of these setups is encouraged. If you want more or less tail grip make the fin deeper or shallower. And it’s always a good idea to customize yawing tip-engagement by moving the fin back and forth (forward for more tip engagement and back for less). You want to be as far forward as your technique will allow before the tip starts grabbing occasionally.

For more customized tuning guidance see: WhisperFin Ski-tuning –101 and the Whisperfin Ski-tuning Flowchart

Vapor

63.5″

Bf = 28.625
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.410
FL = 5.782
DFT = 1.863
LE = 7.645

69.5″

Bf = 31.125
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.490
FL = 5.842
DFT = 1.843
LE = 7.685

65″

Bf = 29.25
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.827
DFT = 1.843
LE = 7.670

66″

Nimble
Bf = 29.625
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.832
DFT = 1.843
LE = 7.675

More Stable
Bf = 29.75
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.510
FL = 5.857
DFT = 1.813
LE = 7.670

67″

Nimble
Bf = 30.125
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.832
DFT = 1.833
LE = 7.665

More Stable
Bf = 30.25
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.828
LE = 7.675

68″

Nimble
Bf = 30.75
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.837
DFT = 1.853
LE = 7.690

More Stable
Bf = 30.875
Wing = 9°
FD = 2.500
FL = 5.852
DFT = 1.833
LE = 7.685

Senate

65″

Bf = 29.625
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.817
DFT = 1.888
LE = 7.705

67″

Bf = 30.75
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.480
FL = 5.837
DFT = 1.853
LE = 7.690

69″

Bf = 32.0
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.495
FL = 5.847
DFT = 1.838
LE = 7.685

71″

Bf = 32.5
Wing = 8°
FD = 2.490
FL = 5.842
DFT = 1.838
LE = 7.680